much, so no. but the thing was, i can understand what they were saying. it was the way that they did it. it was just the way they did it. and then they offered him well, what do you want, money, we'll pay you. no, he doesn't want money. he wants his dignity, he wants his pride. he could do this. but then as it happens, the way the show turned out, it had a curse on it. the show did terrible, people didn't like it, it was so, you know -- >> karma. >> you know, the karma truck was parked outside nbc that week. had nothing to do with me. >> you and simon cowell have had a love/hate relationship over the years but there are some rumors you may go back perhaps to one of his shows, x factor. >> you know what he's like? he's such a tart. he's like a big brother. you love your brother, but sometimes you don't like him very much, do you. so we're like this at each other. we take jabs at each other all the time. but i tell you something, like you, whenever you're in trouble, simon is right there, as you are. so i can't say a bad thing about him. >> which of the other talent shows do you watch? do you like any of them?